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Frankly .... (2.00 / 5)

it's early.

Instead of working to point out all of McCain's  negatives, it's time now to try to heal the divide.  For me, the first step in that is to regain Hillary's rightful place among the blogosphere as a good and loyal Democrat who has done great things for America.

If folks won't accept that, then they are not willing to heal the divide and work together to defeat McCain.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:02:19 AM EST

I would rather just accept (none / 0)

The divide as healed.


My thoughts on McCain: I have no desire to let that idiot fulfill his desire to "Bomb Iran"
by Otaku Saru on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:05:53 AM EST
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Re: I would rather just accept (2.00 / 1)

Well you would be seriously wrong there.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:14:12 PM EST
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Not so much so (none / 0)

Instead of working to point out all of McCain's negatives, it's time now to try to heal the divide.
I don't think there's nearly the divide you think there is. As I posted earlier, I think Monday needs to be clean slate day: whatever mean, stupid, immature, nasty things we've said to one another, I just don't care. Come Monday, we work on defeating McCain. I don't feel a need to waste three weeks on blogger group therapy, helping people process their issues with this election. Honestly, right now, I'm in the mood to kick GOP ass.
For me, the first step in that is to regain Hillary's rightful place among the blogosphere as a good and loyal Democrat who has done great things for America.
This isn't about Clinton, and trying to *make* it about Clinton doesn't solve anything.
If folks won't accept that, then they are not willing to heal the divide and work together to defeat McCain.
It may be just me, but this is where I begin to suspect you're a more subtle form of troll. But I really don't care about that either.
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by juliewolf on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 07:21:45 AM EST
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Re: Not so much so (2.00 / 1)

I think you're wrong.  There is a divide, and I think it will take longer than your Monday deadline to "get over it".

If you want to go after him, fine we'll catch up w/ ya later on down the road.  Right now, I'm more worried about getting down-ticket races shored up for the next two months in order to be able kick some GOP ass.  That is the only way Obama will be able to really win in November.

It's ground up, not top-down that wins elections and something that Hillary's team forgot, despite the plea's from the likes of Ickes and others.

Right now I'm busy getting ready for my State Convention, and sizing up cadidates to challenge the Senate seat and State House/Senate races.  I have no interest in "healing" w/ Obama at the moment.  And those looking to force it will only delay the process.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:19:48 PM EST
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Well, MS Wolf ..... (none / 0)

because I don't join the jubilant throng, I am now a 'suspected subtle form of troll'.

Wow.  

No, I'm no troll, I do live on a river near a bridge, but not under it, thank you very much.

I never made it 'about' Clinton.  But if you want to ignore that her supporters need to have her placed back squarely in the high regard that she deserves and they demand, you will be making a mistake.  That's one of the things that drives me mad about Obama supporters in general, anything that is not resounding praise of their chosen candidate is somehow not appropriate.  To 18 million Democratic primary voters, this IS appropriate, and required.

Keep on the good fight, continue to diss her and her supporters at every chance you get.  It doesn't help.  No one wants you to hold our hand or give us 'three weeks of blogger therapy'  (are you qualified for that?).  You do, however have to start to show a little respect.  Ignore that, and the party (which I am no longer part of, Dean's fault, I am now NPA) will not heal.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:57:33 PM EST
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Re: Well, MS Wolf ..... (none / 0)

The reason I suspect you're a troll is, actually, because of this line:

...the first step in that is to regain Hillary's rightful place among the blogosphere as a good and loyal Democrat who has done great things for America.

If folks won't accept that, then they are not willing to heal the divide and work together to defeat McCain.

It's conditional crap like this that I think is useless and does nothing but treat people who differ  from your point of view as though they're idiots.


I'm only a click away
by juliewolf on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 04:39:07 PM EST
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Re: Well, MS Wolf ..... (none / 0)

You know, that's my opinion, and I am entitled to it.

Frankly,my dear, I don't give a damn about your 'suspicions', because I know my motives and my record of support for Democratic candidates.  Your 'opinion' of me or your 'suspicions' are about as relevant to me as the toilet problems on the space shuttle were before they were fixed.

Now, 18 million .... COUNT  THEM, 18 MILLION voters were for Hillary.  Ignore their feelings if you think that's wise.  Frankly I think that those who are not willing to relent and  restore Hillary to her rightfully respected status in the party  are much more of a problem for 'unity' than folks like me who are labeled a 'troll' because you don't like my message.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 05:23:22 PM EST
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Re: Well, MS Wolf ..... (none / 0)

Now, 18 million .... COUNT THEM, 18 MILLION voters were for Hillary.
Sort of. 18 Million had a preference of Clinton over Obama, but my guess is that only a very small number of those prefer McCain to Obama and that most of them view Obama and Clinton as both very good candidates with a belief that one's more electable than the other. I don't think your message is meaningful. I don't think Clinton needs to vindicate herself or to prove anything to anyone. She ran a strong campaign that, ultimately, was unsuccessful. That's fine. If you, however, treat Clinton's image in the blogosphere as a top priority at this point, I don't think you've got anything particularly interesting or relevant to contribute.
I'm only a click away
by juliewolf on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 06:03:09 PM EST
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Re: Well, MS Wolf ..... (none / 0)

18 million voters  (mostly Democrats at that) supported Hillary over Obama,  He won with a larger count by a slim margin given him by independents.

No where did I say that Hillary's voters would choose McCain.  Most will not.  Some may choose to leave the spot blank, that is their right to do so.  No, Hillary has nothing to prove at this point.  However, her supporters deserve more than having our noses rubbed in every pile of manure some of the blogosphere folks can find or invent.  Ignore that if you think it's helpful

Well, since you think I don't have anything interesting or relevant to contribute, please by all means, accept my cordial invitation to eternally skip my commentary and keep your oh so wise and learned opinions to yourself.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:12:36 PM EST
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