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Re: Hagel Needs To Come Off The List (2.00 / 5)

If after all that Obama has done in the past couple of weeks, it is obvious that Clinton would have been the more progressive choice.

I think he needs to put someone more progressive on his ticket.

If he continues down the road he is on, he will really piss people off.

I hate Hagel as a VP candidate, I hate Sam Nunn as a VP candidate, I hate Jim Webb as a VP candidate. Joe Biden, Dodd, Edwards and the best one, Clinton are good choices. But Nunn is a gay-basher, Hagel is a Repug, and Jim Webb has written blatantly misogynistic essays during his military years. His writings had a huge impact on women in service and he has never apologized for that and unless he does some profound mea culpa I will not accept him as a valid choice.


by ajain on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 06:50:13 PM EST

Clinton Supported the War! (none / 0)

She never apologized for it. Therefore she was unacceptable from day 1.

Her husband is a total loose cannon whose many shady dealings since leaving office were all being quietly chronicled by right-wing hate groups for massive attack ads. Now those ads are useless and you see the Righties desperately trying and failing to come up with an attack meme against Obama that anybody will care about in 2008.

Is he a "Librul! Librul! Librul! The most librul member of the Senate!" or is he just another "flip-flopper! Just like Kerry with a tan?" They can't decide and the voters aren't impressed with either attack.

You can't have it both ways. And their confused message reflects their lack of a theme for this election and lack of confidence. Pickens, the Texas right-wing scum who funded the Swift-Boaters is sitting out the election.

The Reich Wing has been gearing up so long for a hate-fest against Hillary that they still can't get themselves to believe that she's not going to be the target. They're not finding anything that is really hurting Obama.

This is a one-man race. It's Obama versus Obama with McCain as a spectator. Good Obama- the change candidate of hope v. Bad Obama - the "librul" "muslim" "we don't know what he stands for."

All Obama has to do is talk to voters in debates and campaign commercials and it's over. He's far more eloquent than McCain. He has charisma and McCain doesn't.

Hillary doesn't have any different position on FISA than Obama, so that too is a wash. Whatever our disappointment with Obama, Hillary is no better on any issue.


by Cugel on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 07:35:36 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supported the War! (none / 0)

name some "shady dealings" being chronicled by the Republicans.


by slynch on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 08:02:27 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supported the War! (none / 0)

You're aware that they put together a Hillary Clinton movie, right? Not JUST an attack book, an attack film. Not that it would have been shocking, but they were REALLY, REALLY ready to attack.


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by vcalzone on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:09:02 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supported the War! (none / 0)

There were ethics issues raised about funding for the Presidential library, and allegations of sexual incidents around Clinton's entourage.

The rumors don't have to be true you know. People will believe almost anything about Bill Clinton if it involves allegations of shady fund-raising and/or partying with loose women.

Don't think that if Hillary had won or if Obama were stupid enough to pick her as VP (which he won't), every single possible thing that Bill has done the last 8 years wouldn't suddenly be on FOX News, MSNBC and CNN 24/7.

That would be in addition to the endless discussion of every so-called "scandal" (true or false) of the entire Clinton administration! Get ready for another "Fox Retrospective" about Hillary Clinton's Rose law firm billing records, Hillary's role in the impeachment saga, Vince Foster's "mysterious" death, "Travelgate" and the Rich pardon, all of which would suddenly again be "relevant" because the Clintons were heading back to the White House.

And to be honest, who can be confident that Bill hasn't done anything hideously embarrassing the last 8 years that would suddenly come out and cause a media firestorm sometime around the middle of October?


by Cugel on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 12:40:12 AM EST
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Great post (none / 0)

Look, Obama is not perfect, no candidate is.   So stop with the I told you so, unless you are just here to troll.

Also, he is not going to pick Hagel, so calm down.  Why are you getting so bent out of shape over something that is not going to happen.


by monkeyga on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:29:47 PM EST
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Re: Hagel Needs To Come Off The List (none / 0)

Clinton is my first choice for VP and I will be pissed if she's not on the ticket but I'll still vote for Obama, reluctantly.

I love Webb but we need him in the senate. He has backed away from his earlier writing and I think most people will give him a pass on it because it was years ago and he has grown since then. But, leaving Clinton off and puting Webb on would be problematic. On the other hand, it could gin up the male vote, but I wouldn't recomment it.


by mmorang on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 07:41:57 PM EST
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