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Organizing and religion (2.00 / 1)

Obama is one clever man.  He understands that churches are the strongest most efficient grasstroots organizations out there.  They dwarf secular grassroots organizations in their ability to mobilize and network committed long term volunteers.
The GOP has effectively embarrassed the hell out of Democrats for years with this understanding.  

Obama is energizing not just left leaning religious folks but many of the more "conservative Christians" once committed to GWB.  He's inspired them with a refocus on true core Christian values of service, compassion and charity.

When ya'll signed on for "Change" you should have been prepared for some serious shaking out of the old rules and some new faces in the crowd.  


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by grassrootsorganizer on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:32:37 PM EST

nothing like (none / 0)

"changing" the Constitution.


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by kevin22262 on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 11:14:01 PM EST
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Re: nothing like (none / 0)

No, nothing like it.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 11:17:49 PM EST
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Constitution comes FIRST (none / 0)

and always FIRST when it comes to our Nation. Not god, not religion, not a book.


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by kevin22262 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 02:35:57 AM EST
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Re: Constitution comes FIRST (none / 0)

Yeah, cool, I agree.  So what's the problem, as I said it is nothing like tearing up the Constitution in the context in which Obama has framed it.  And he is righting a wrong perpetrated on us on that point by the Bush administration in the same stroke.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 03:47:51 AM EST
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We all think of the (none / 0)

evangelicals these days when we think of faith-based initiatives because that's who has been getting all the money during Bush's admin. for their crazy rightwing causes.

But think of it this way -- churches, mosques and synagogs do lots of stuff that has nothing to do with religion.  They are like the original community activists.  And they don't all proselytize.  I was raised Unitarian and you know Unitarians don't proselytize yet they do lots of things to help the community.

As long as Obama doesn't discriminate between religions (hell, the pastafarians should be entitled too) and keeps the religious groups accountable that they don't use it to proselytize then it doesn't really violate the constitution.  We should keep a close eye on how the program(s) are administered and how the recipients are monitored though.  Otherwise, they should lose their tax-exempt status.  


That One is the Right One for 2008.
by GFORD on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 11:32:05 PM EST
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Well then (none / 0)

let the Churches and such do it themselves. Let their followers pay for it.

When religion and government mix... it is not a good thing!

Neither is the mixing of corporations and government. - see how that has worked out?

How has the mixing of religion and government worked out around the world? .. not to good, i would say.


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by kevin22262 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 02:34:39 AM EST
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Re: Organizing and religion (none / 0)

Yep.  Love to have your thought on my diary.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/7/1/17413 2/7871#readmore

:)


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by fogiv on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 11:34:19 PM EST
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