MyDD :: Why Mi should be SOL:

Why Mi should be SOL:

Obama is a very bad man!	1 vote - 9 %
Clinton DESERVES all their votes without an election!	4 votes - 36 %
If they didn't vote for her they're sexist anyway!	2 votes - 18 %
I don't think a football is a good Christmas present!	6 votes - 54 %

11 Total Votes

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COUNT EVERY VOTE (none / 0)

count em up, count em up, count em up!

by luckymortal on Fri May 23, 2008 at 11:50:27 AM EST

It's aboot digntity! It's aboot respect! (none / 0)

Burn your money for the people of Michigan!

by luckymortal on Fri May 23, 2008 at 11:51:31 AM EST
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It's crazy! I'm responding to my own comment! (none / 0)

I don't even know what I'm doing anymore!

by luckymortal on Fri May 23, 2008 at 11:52:05 AM EST

Re: It's crazy! I'm responding to my own comment! (2.00 / 1)

You need three or four more replies to make this a You-Know-Who diary.

Oh, and add a gratuitous photo at the top. I suggest this one, as it is the epitome of Michigan:

should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?

by Firewall on Fri May 23, 2008 at 11:55:37 AM EST
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Re: It's crazy! I'm responding to my own comment! (2.00 / 1)

Hey, how did you get my computer desk-top background on there?

by luckymortal on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:07:22 PM EST
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Re: Obama's fault! Help Michigan Voters!!! (2.00 / 1)

Hey- calm down. It's not gonna go down that way, don't worry. It's political suicide, and in the meantime, you're emulating the likes of Alegre, SoCalDarlin, et all.

If you're debunking a particularly obnoxious claim, or something on that line, fine. I don't advocate for unilateral disarmament simply because we're winning. I still expect better from you.

Alright?

Serious question- Is This Snark?

by ragekage on Fri May 23, 2008 at 11:54:04 AM EST

Just in a good mood this morning, (none / 0)

I was just having some fun. And you're right, I was emulating the tone of erm, certain others. I'm sorry if it came off wrong.

by luckymortal on Fri May 23, 2008 at 11:57:23 AM EST
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Re: Just in a good mood this morning, (2.00 / 1)

Don't stoop to their level. I know it's been contentious, and you've had to deal with shit for months, but it'll be over soon and we can all move on much happier people. Just remember that. But we're good, like I said, if you tackle a factless and unwarranted claim head on, you can count on me being right there beside you, fighting just as hard as you.

Serious question- Is This Snark?

by ragekage on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:00:43 PM EST
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Re: Obama's fault! Help Michigan Voters!!! (2.00 / 1)

Get the Lions to fire Matt Millen. That will cheer up a lot of Michaganders.

Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius

by Blue Neponset on Fri May 23, 2008 at 11:57:12 AM EST

Al Davis / Matt Millen '12 (2.00 / 1)

Fire Millen?

No way.

I'm a Vikings fan.

I love Matt Millen

by emptythreatsfarm on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:11:02 PM EST
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Matt Millen (2.00 / 1)

is a MN hero. He consistantly provides the Vikings with at 2 wins a year. How can we MN folk not adore him.

Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!

by Student Guy on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:26:57 PM EST
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Hey now! (It's funny because it's true) (none / 0)

I've got a whole bucket worth of fake user accounts with TRs for talk like that!

by luckymortal on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:32:39 PM EST
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Re: Obama's fault! Help Michigan Voters!!! (none / 0)

If Obama could do that, he would win MI easily. Promising a Constitutional amendment removing ownership of the Lions from the Ford family would work just as well.

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by mistersite on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:56:51 PM EST
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Re: Obama's fault! Help Michigan Voters!!! (2.00 / 1)

I'll tell you something. As Florida and Michigan have been badly insulted by Obama, all their delegates should be attributed to Hillary, and their votes should count double at the convention. Wait, not double... 20 fold. Whatever she needs to secure the nomination. And 100 times more just to teach him a good lesson. Did I forget to mention that caucus delegates should be shot? Obama ones, that is. Or hung maybe. Any better idea?

by french imp on Fri May 23, 2008 at 11:57:44 AM EST

Re: Obama's fault! Help Michigan Voters!!! (none / 0)

Hung then shot?

No, that might be going a little far...

by luckymortal on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:09:39 PM EST
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You should proofread. (2.00 / 1)

Unless, of course, you actually are going to 'accept Clinton'.

Which would be the best thing to do, except for folks who want to keep insulting the Democrats of those two states, ie Obama supporters.

Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?

by emsprater on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:09:41 PM EST

Ha you're right! (none / 0)

I'd leave it, but if I do I'll get 10,000 more comments on it.

Fixed.

by luckymortal on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:11:31 PM EST
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Re: You should proofread. (none / 0)

And I love insulting myself.

I'm a Michigander.

by luckymortal on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:15:53 PM EST
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And if you would, (none / 0)

I really would like an answer to the question. Sometimes when you're emotionally involved (as I am) things can seem like a no-brainer because you can't see it from the other side's perspective.

I keep asking this question and no one has answered.

I really do want to know how Clinton supporters see it.

And thanks for taking the time to read the diary.

by luckymortal on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:42:49 PM EST
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Re: And if you would, (2.00 / 1)

I suppose as a Floridian, I see it differently here because all of the Democratic nominees were on the ballot in January. No one was 'shut out', supporters of all candidates could vote for their choice. If folks didn't vote, that was their choice and their fault. Also, Florida is a closed primary, meaning only registered Democrats can vote, so there was no "GOP" crossover to muddy the waters, and no independents gaming our process.

Except for a short press conference by Obama and a small amount of bleed over teevee ads to parts of Florida, there was no 'breaking' of the rules by the DNC about campaigning here, either, so that point is moot.

It is what it is. Hillary won the Democratic primary in Florida, and the delegates should be seated, and the votes should be a part of the popular vote total. I agree, MI is a different story, not because of anything Hillary did, but because Obama removed his name from the ballot there.

I've become so angered by the DNC treatment of Democrats in Florida that I've switched to NPA.
I'm not the only one here to do that. How the DNC resolves this or doesn't will tell whether ANY Democrat can take FL for POTUS in the GE.

Before any of you all castigate me for switching to NPA, please remember that you stand solidly behind the independents who support your candidate. You have no right to denigrate me for joining the independent (NPA) group just because I don't support your candidate at this time.

Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?

by emsprater on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:02:47 PM EST
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Re: And if you would, (none / 0)

Actually, I support your decision. I always put progressive values ahead of this abstraction "the party."

So I support your statement. I hope in the end you'll come to feel that Obama had earned your vote.

Secondly, I fully agree that the state parties of Michigan and Florida, together with the DNC, badly botched this whole operation.

Michigan was obviously an unfair election and it would disenfranchise voters to pretend otherwise.

I suspect the same of Florida to a lesser degree. Do you really think that it was a fair election in Flordia knowing that name recognition and familiarity counts for so much and HRC had a distinct advantage in this regard?

Either way, Florida's delegates become irrelevant to the outcome of the election if Michigan's are not seated with none going to Obama. Without that Mi result, HRC cannot get close enough in the seated delegates to argue for the supers to overturn it.

Anyway, I also think that well informed individuals can disagree about how much blame Clinton or Obama have in this. Many people, including me, feel that Clinton shares most of the blame.

My point is that it doesn't matter. Whether or not Obama is to blame, it's no excuse to strip his voters of their right to vote for him.

by luckymortal on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:19:08 PM EST
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Re: And thanks for the discussion. (2.00 / 1)

Thanks.

by luckymortal on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:20:56 PM EST
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