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Open Thread

by Todd Beeton, Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 09:34:41 PM EST

Have at it...

Update [2008-7-3 0:46:43 by Todd Beeton]:Heh.

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Re: Open Thread (none / 0)

Quieted down a bit...

The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"

by Hollede on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:02:05 PM EST

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I miss engels. Best troll ever.

Saxby Chambliss

by bosdcla14 on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:48:35 AM EST
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Sandra Day O'Conner (2.00 / 2)

"Those who would renegotiate the boundaries between church and state must therefore answer a difficult question: why would we trade a system that has served us so well for one that has served others so poorly?"

Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Conner on the Ten Commandments ruling, June 27, 2005
http://www.theocracywatch.org/separation _church_state2.htm

Maybe not the same exact subject but definitely for the same reasons.

Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:05:13 PM EST

Are... (2.00 / 3)

the Democrats next?

"This Republican Party of Lincoln has become a party of theocracy."

U.S. Representative Christopher Shays, R-CT, (New York Times 3/23/05)
http://www.theocracywatch.org/

Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:07:41 PM EST
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Re: Are... (none / 0)

That's completely over the top.

Obama is not making the government more religious; he wants to have some money to go to programs like soup kitchens and after school programs that are run by faith communities.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:21:38 PM EST
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okie (2.00 / 2)

dokie

I heard almost the same from bush and his buddies.

I am not saying Obama would be bad at this, but what about those under him and those that come after him?

Why don't you see the danger here?

Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:27:50 PM EST
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Re: okie (none / 0)

Bush is a total phony who used religion to get what he wanted. Perhaps he does believe God spoke to him, he's still not a Christian in any sense of the word I've ever seen. I think his perception of God came from "Are You There, God? It's Me, Margaret".

Obama actually went to church, he knows church leaders, he knows what they can do. If you know of a better or faster way to organize a national community service group with branches all across the country, then... do it. Because you'd qualify for that funding, too. :-)

"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."

by vcalzone on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:39:06 PM EST
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Re: okie (2.00 / 2)

and let's say 9 years from now Dan Qyale is sworn in? the precedent is the key here, not Obama personally

by zerosumgame on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 11:21:14 PM EST
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Re: okie (none / 0)

understood, but the door's already been opened. I don't see how we could simply make faith-based programs disappear. At this point, the best move would seem to be putting in place a proper set of standards and regulation to make sure that a president quayle couldn't mess with it in the future.

By the way, considering I've dealt with some religious organizations that help the needy as part of my job, I don't think faith-based funding is a bad idea. They usually do tremendous work.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 11:39:47 PM EST
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Re: Are... (2.00 / 1)

I would also note that Chris Shays showed his strong opposition to this by boldly doing nothing about it. What a man of principle.

Saxby Chambliss

by bosdcla14 on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:44:10 AM EST
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Re: Open Thread (none / 0)

Anybody know of any good free internet security. I was using AVG and they made me update to their trial for 8.0 recently. I don't like it and will not pay for their product. And today I don't feel like paying for anyones product before checking it out.

The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"

by Hollede on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:07:53 PM EST

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How apropos -- I just read about them today. AVG is a piece of shit that screws web site owners by generating bogus traffic. I use Privoxy. It's a bit tricky to get set up, but it's free and does a great job tossing ads and other junk.

I am not a crook!

by username on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:13:32 PM EST
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I disagree (none / 0)

This is what has screwed them up

"new malware scanner from AVG Technologies."

I turned off this piece.

Always do a custom or advanced install and then always go and check the prefs and options after install.

Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:22:00 PM EST
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oops (none / 0)

this too I turn off
"AVG acquired Exploit Prevention Labs and its LinkScanner,"

I agree that they should have done a better job. I will need to look deeper into this myself.

Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:23:08 PM EST
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Re: Open Thread (none / 0)

thanks i will check these out.

The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"

by Hollede on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:24:22 PM EST
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OOPS! (2.00 / 1)

You were lead astray!

They always try and get you to stray to the PAY version. Zonelabs does this also with Zonealarm.

You need to look for the FREE version.
AVG FREE

You can also start here:
http://free.avg.com/

Becareful of what you "check" while loading it.

Uninstall the "upgrade" you just got and install the one from the link above.

Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:19:57 PM EST
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Re: OOPS! (2.00 / 2)

Thanks for the information :-)

The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"

by Hollede on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:23:33 PM EST
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Re: Open Thread (none / 0)

I use Avast, because AVG always slows my computer to a crawl.

"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."

by vcalzone on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:35:35 PM EST
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Re: Open Thread (2.00 / 1)

ya'll are awesome, thanks!

The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"

by Hollede on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:41:57 PM EST
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A brief reminder... (none / 0)

Remember who we're dealing with. These people are almost as frothingly malicious as they are mind-blowingly stupid.

I am not a crook!

by username on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:15:58 PM EST

Re: A brief reminder... (none / 0)

Ugh, I can't stand seeing that picture every time I go there. He has one of the most negative vibes I've ever seen. And it's not just because I'm acquainted with him, I've known since I saw him.

"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."

by vcalzone on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:34:44 PM EST
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Re: A brief reminder... (none / 0)

Wow, never been there before. Creepy.

The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"

by Hollede on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:43:45 PM EST
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Re: A brief reminder... (none / 0)

yup, and I also checked out alegre's site earlier today for the first time, so I think I've had my fair share of anti-Obama nuttiness for the day. Or week.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 11:41:51 PM EST
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Re: A brief reminder... (none / 0)

I was wondering where Alegre and KnowVox went. I kinda miss them.

If yer after gettin the honey, then you don't go killing all the bees.

by Fluffy Puff Marshmallow on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:57:26 AM EST
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Re: A brief reminder... (none / 0)

Sadly, know vox is still here, now posting as xov wonk.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 11:54:21 AM EST
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Re: A brief reminder... (none / 0)

Uh yeah, just went there as well. Wow.

The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"

by Hollede on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:00:45 AM EST
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Re: Open Thread (2.00 / 2)

Republican strategists are worried that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama will make a very positive impression and burnish his international credentials when he takes his much-ballyhooed foreign trips in the coming weeks.

"It has the potential to be a big plus for Obama," says a senior Republican who has advised several presidents over the years. "The American people know we are not liked overseas anymore, and it bothers them. People feel that Obama could help change that."
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/camp aign-2008/2008/07/02/gop-fears-that-obam a-will-get-a-boost-from-foreign-travel.h tml

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:19:37 PM EST

Re: Open Thread (2.00 / 1)

Oh, he will be received like a god in Europe. He is already. I predict very good receptions for him across the board, particularly after actually getting to meet people. McCain can go to nations and play President all he likes, it won't do him any favors here.

"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."

by vcalzone on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:32:01 PM EST
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Re: Open Thread (2.00 / 1)

So apparently, McCain hired himself a bulldog. Anyone have any thoughts? Should we be worried? He seems to be the one who came up with some of the more damaging one-liners about Obama. How do we fight that? How does Obama fight it?

"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."

by vcalzone on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:29:58 PM EST

Re: Open Thread (2.00 / 1)

Or is this precisely what the Obama campaign has been getting ready for? I know they've been getting ready for smears, what about character attacks in general?

"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."

by vcalzone on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:30:43 PM EST
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Re: Open Thread (none / 0)

I'll be interested to see what a bulldog approach does to McCain's support with independents. I guess it could drive up Republican support. But the guy is losing right now so i guess he has no choice but to try and knee cap Obama.

Hey, we had almost a month of peace so that has to be worth something:)

by Xris on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:37:03 PM EST
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Re: Open Thread (none / 0)

I dunno if I'd call it peace, McCain has attacked on a daily basis while Obama just parries. I'm just worried about what might happen if McCain starts hitting harder or with more focus.

"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."

by vcalzone on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:43:04 PM EST
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Re: Open Thread (none / 0)

I'm a democrat too so I am worried all the time. The hits are going to come and we just have to hope he is ready.

But still, it will be interesting to see what that type of approach does to McCain's maverick image. Maybe it can hold up while still being a traditional mud slinging republican, or maybe it will cause him to tank.

The only thing I do know for sure, is that I am going to drink a ton of beer and eat a lot of brats this weekend. Happy 4th.

by Xris on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:46:44 PM EST
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Re: Open Thread (none / 0)

Thinking about it, if I were the GOP, I'd be more worried about what it does to McCain. You can really really tell that he HATES the negative campaigning. If he has to do it through October while Obama seriously tries to stay on the high road whenever possible, he will be dog-tired and just look miserable by the convention.

"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."

by vcalzone on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:50:05 PM EST
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McRove loves negative campaigning. (none / 0)

He's been doing it in AZ for decades.

It's really time for Democrats to stop cutting the creep slack in any form (It's OK for Obama and those closest to him to act nice, but that's it.) Everyone else needs to say loud and clear that he stinks to heaven.

by Beren on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 02:36:07 AM EST
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Time to get my ass home (2.00 / 1)

or is that to a beer?

hmmmm?

decisions decisions.

Have fun.

Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:41:43 PM EST

memo to Obama for America (2.00 / 4)

It's time for the Obama campaign to go on the offensive and compare the executive management skills of Barack Obama and John McCain.

The McCain for President organization has undergone two major reorganizations involving key personnel and campaign strategy within one year. Objective press reports of internal dissention, poor tactical decisions and the lack of an overall campaign strategy are common. What does this tell us about McCain's ability as a manager? Can we expect annual shake-ups of top people and direction once a year in a McCain administration?

In contrast, Barack Obama has led what is widely regarded as one of the most consistent, stable, effective and efficient campaign operations in American political history. This is even more impressive when you consider how much larger the Obama organization is (in dollars and staff) compared to the McCain organization. Also, in battling with and defeating the formidable Clintons, the Obama organization has operated under considerably more stress and press scrutiny for a longer period of time than the McCain organization.

When people talk about and evaluate a future Obama administration, few mention Obama's executive management skills. But to date, which candidate has delivered the goods on this vital role of a President?

Our Moment Is Now

by mboehm on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:49:16 PM EST

Re: Open Thread (2.00 / 2)

Today was the first day of monsoon season.

[needless to say, it was pouring. & the electricity went out while I was at the movies]

by alyssa chaos on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:50:48 PM EST

well put (2.00 / 2)

"Having one of the main architects of Bush's re-election campaign become McCain's campaign manager seems like a good way to demonstrate that a vote for McCain is like a vote for a third Bush term."
http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/a rchives/2008/07/growing_concerns_about_t he_ygl.php

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 11:05:42 PM EST

Re: well put (none / 0)

I guess we are now going to see the kitchen sink part deux as McCain scarps the "new politics" and goes for the old GOP smear jobs...

It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)

by LordMike on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:08:29 AM EST
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just read a crazy article about... (none / 0)

facebook and the primary. interesting....

"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg

by canadian gal on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 11:37:40 PM EST

Re: just read a crazy article about... (none / 0)

Uh, is this going to be Barack's fault too?

The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"

by Hollede on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 11:48:25 PM EST
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Re: just read a crazy article about... (none / 0)

Uh not trying to be snarky here, sorry.

The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"

by Hollede on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 11:50:19 PM EST
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Re: just read a crazy article about... (2.00 / 1)

I mean there may very well be an issue with Facebook, but you don't think it's Obama's doing?

The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"

by Hollede on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 11:49:41 PM EST
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im pretty sure... (none / 0)

that was neither implied by me or the author of the article.

"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg

by canadian gal on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 11:54:45 PM EST
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Re: Open Thread (2.00 / 1)

and actually Canadian Gal I really wasn't directing this at you at all. You seem so very reasonable and one of the reasons I enjoy visiting this site. I am just so tired of the endless silly bickering between the O's and the H's. OH my.

The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"

by Hollede on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 11:59:24 PM EST

no worries. (none / 0)

hey - do you know how to add things to your hotlist? or rather what its function is?

"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg

by canadian gal on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:07:20 AM EST
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Re: no worries. (none / 0)

The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"

by Hollede on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:17:58 AM EST
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Re: no worries. (2.00 / 1)

teach me please

The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"

by Hollede on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:18:24 AM EST
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Re: no worries. (2.00 / 1)

you see the little plus sign next to the diary title? press that shit. it adds it to your hotlist, and then you can access all your fav diaries without feeling like a fool and sifting through days worth of diaries to find it again.

by alyssa chaos on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:19:21 AM EST
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Re: no worries. (2.00 / 1)

SWEET. Thanks very much.

The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"

by Hollede on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:22:35 AM EST
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no plus sign for me ;( (none / 0)

"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg

by canadian gal on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:31:51 AM EST
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Re: no plus sign for me ;( (2.00 / 2)

Why not?

The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"

by Hollede on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:33:15 AM EST
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Re: no plus sign for me ;( (2.00 / 1)

why not? where is your plus sign? you have nothing? not even like a minus sign?

[hmmm. wierd. what kind of 'puter you on; maybe its your internet; +. woah too many questions;]

by alyssa chaos on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:35:24 AM EST
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ah - they magically... (2.00 / 1)

appeared now - awesome! im on a mac... maybe that's why?

"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg

by canadian gal on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:39:18 AM EST
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Re: ah - they magically... (2.00 / 1)

it was magic. i did it. im a regular houdini.

[i can see them on my mac]

by alyssa chaos on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:55:53 AM EST
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houdini huh? (2.00 / 1)

you're damn good i tell ya.

"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg

by canadian gal on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:58:37 AM EST
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Re: ah - they magically... (2.00 / 1)

heh

The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"

by Hollede on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:59:08 AM EST
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Todd - your blogroll needs a quick fix (none / 0)

The correct link to 'The Field' is:

http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefiel d

by barath on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:10:25 AM EST

Is it OK to laugh at this guy? (none / 0)

Hitchens Gets Waterboarded, Withdraws from Iraq in Eleven Seconds

by Beren on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 02:28:53 AM EST

Re: Is it OK to laugh at this guy? (none / 0)

ALWAYS. He's like William F Buckley without the wit or charm.

"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."

by vcalzone on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 02:46:42 AM EST
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NYT: (none / 0)

Mr. McCain's advisers said that Mr. Davis would continue to hold the position of campaign manager, but that Mr. Schmidt had taken over every major operation where Mr. McCain has shown signs of struggling: communications, scheduling and basic political strategy.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25505302

vote blue in 2008

by sepulvedaj3 on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 09:45:09 AM EST

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